mad_eponine ([info]mad_eponine) wrote,

Varnum v. Brien

The full summary (direct link) is well worth reading. It's six, short, sweet pages of the full decision. It is pretty much a direct legal refutation of the most common arguments against same-sex marriage, or unions. Seriously, some of the county's arguments (against same-sex unions) seem appallingly specious. All things considered, it's a pretty straightforward and common sense document that nicely counters the mouth-frothing in the popular media.

Recognizing the sincere religious belief held by some that the “sanctity of marriage” would be undermined by the inclusion of gay and lesbian couples, the court nevertheless noted that such views are not the only religious views of marriage. Other, equally sincere groups have espoused strong religious views yielding the opposite conclusion. These contrasting opinions, the court finds, explain the absence of any religious-based rationale to test the constitutionality of Iowa’s same-sex marriage statute. “Our constitution does not permit any branch of government to resolve these types of religious debates and entrusts to courts the task of ensuring government avoids them . . . . The statute at issue in this case does not prescribe a definition of marriage for religious institutions. Instead, the statute, declares, ‘Marriage is a civil contract’ and then regulates that civil contract . . . . Thus, in pursuing our task in this case, we proceed as civil judges, far removed from the theological debate of religious clerics, and focus only on the concept of civil marriage and the state licensing system that identifies a limited class of persons entitled to secular rights and benefits associated with marriage.


As I've said before, for all of the horrible things the Soviets did to people, one thing they did right was the complete separation of civil and church marriage. You'd go before some komissar at the city hall to have the civil marriage and thus get all the civil, contractual rights that come with it. Then, if you wanted, you could go have a church wedding. Not that they had a good track record on LGBT rights, but a more formal separation of civil and religious might be a way to start here.

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[info]rimrunner

April 4 2009, 15:55:36 UTC 3 years ago Edited:  April 4 2009, 18:26:44 UTC

Not that they had a good track record on LGBT rights, but a more formal separation of civil and religious might be a way to start here.

That's how it was done at both cousins' weddings I attended in Europe (in Hungary and France, specifically).

When I think about the history of marriage in the West, I find myself thinking that the main reason it was officiated by a priest, at least at the non-royalty level, was that he was the only guy around for miles who could read and write and thus note down somewhere that these two people were actually married.

So another way to go is: define what marriage means in a LEGAL sense, and then let ANYONE officiate it. Your clergy, the J.P., your best buddy from first grade, whatever. What constitutes a member of the clergy in Washington State is already so flexible that the high priest of my coven was one of our officiants. Why not?

(As an aside, the argument that making same-sex marriage legal violates a church's constitutional rights holds little water with me, because the designated clerical representative of MY religion is perfectly willing to marry two men, or two women. So the law as it currently stands is violating OUR freedom of religion. So there.)

[info]mad_eponine

April 26 2009, 19:48:21 UTC 3 years ago

Oh, I had not thought of that (historically, the priest was the only literate person around, thus the eventual conflation of church and state). Also, I like your last point wrt freedom of religion; it would be cool if more same-sex-marriage-friendly churches/religions/faiths/etc. used this argument. Sometimes I wish I were more "religious" so that I could use my official reverendship to counter stupid Christian fundamentalist crap.

[info]dannyman

April 6 2009, 23:38:14 UTC 3 years ago

Great link, tom.

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